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		<title>Comment on Draft letter to MPs on world-view education in State schools by hgardner</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Inga Anthonipillai. I&#039;ve altered the text to show the URL where the supporting Protestant churches are listed. There will be others of course, but not too large I think. Correct me please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Inga Anthonipillai. I&#8217;ve altered the text to show the URL where the supporting Protestant churches are listed. There will be others of course, but not too large I think. Correct me please?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Draft letter to MPs on world-view education in State schools by inga anthonipillai</title>
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		<dc:creator>inga anthonipillai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 23:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Harry,

I&#039;ve read the letter and I fully support it.  I know you all have put in alot of thinking into the letter but there is just one thing that you may help me understand in paragraph 6.  Can you clarify who are the Protestant Christians?  Shouldn&#039;t the letter include non Roman Catholics as well? 
As I said I support the contents of the letter and would like to invite you to come with me to see my local MLA, Mary Wooldridge, sometime soon. 
Regards
Inga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harry,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the letter and I fully support it.  I know you all have put in alot of thinking into the letter but there is just one thing that you may help me understand in paragraph 6.  Can you clarify who are the Protestant Christians?  Shouldn&#8217;t the letter include non Roman Catholics as well?<br />
As I said I support the contents of the letter and would like to invite you to come with me to see my local MLA, Mary Wooldridge, sometime soon.<br />
Regards<br />
Inga</p>
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		<title>Comment on Daniel Dennett visits Melbourne by Simon Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a great talk, I really enjoyed it.

- Simon</description>
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<p>- Simon</p>
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		<title>Comment on About Humanism &amp; the HSV by zoe morgan z</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/2009/11/about-us/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>zoe morgan z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Aussies Don&#039;t Know What They&#039;ve Got]
A Perfect Marriage of Freedom &amp; Justice: a HOW-TO
Ranked Ballot (voters ranking candidates in order of preference) will give us (PRACTICABLE!) Instant TRUE Democracy for ALL the World, &amp; even put an end to all war forever.
 
Because it gives an equal chance of winning to not just all parties, but all combinations of programs, “RB” is the only thing that’s truly both most just &amp; most free.  By this shining example &amp; because it always elects the candidate most exactly in the middle of all voting, RB is top-dead-center counter extremist, &amp; thus more anti-terrorist than all the many recent retrenchments combined &amp; thus will even disallow the tendency of (virtually two-party) parliamentary systems to give the top to the biggest gang on the block, sometimes with violently extremist results.
 
 RB is the sole unchangeable plank &amp; bylaw of a Ranked Ballot Party, the only practicable third party.)  We imagine running on the single issue of RB, promising a citizens’ advisory board based on Organized Communications, “OC”, small randomly assigned discussion groups electing reps to higher &amp; higher randomly assigned levels, by means of RB, ‘til one small group, most exactly in the middle of all voting, remains at the top, to guide us in the rest.  This group, by its merest invitation to speak,  will inevitably name the perfect compromise &amp; next winner  That’s the instant part.  You do the same, from the most local on up.
Virtually no democracy has ever been attacked by another.  In a world of only democracies, there would no longer be need of the counter-productive wastefulness of armies, war or preparation for war.  RB will bring us that &amp; all else: a real solution to terror, a perfect marriage of Freedom &amp; Justice, Tradition &amp; Modernity, Palestinian &amp; Jew, Free Market &amp; Communalism, all the fairness, payback &amp; make-up one could wish for (clean back to the Cro-Magnons) ecologically sustainable politics, what’s best for all workers, instant global women’s liberation, world-wide luxury, a rationalization of the drug war, human unity, the Freedom of Justice &amp; the Justice of Freedom, perhaps the only possible solution to the world’s only real problem, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict (once they both have adopted RB), even integrity. RB is to the horse &amp; buggy two-party system as shopping in the Mall of America is to shopping in Soviet Russia.  The majority of the problems we face are due to the heavy-footedness of the two party system.  RB lessens the power of the extremes, whether authoritarian, economic or sectarian, except through what they can gain by persuasion, which is only what’s just.  While it would be equally useful for all else, RB’s real power is perhaps most clearly shown in the case of Iraq.  Unless its Parliament comes to select the Prime Minister by means of RB, it may not hold &amp; the country, region &amp; world will be in danger of going to war over some ancient grudge, oil well, multi-ethnic city, or sabotaged pipeline.  While the new constitution does call for the selection of the President by a 2/3 vote in the first round (even if only by the parliament &amp; not the people) (who may then decide who will form the new government) &amp; then by a run-off between the top two vote getters in the second round, if that fails to move all three tribes to nominate centrists, then the resulting handful of old men in a back room will fall far short of RB’s ultimate retail politics.  RB would be equally useful for all electoral systems parliamentary or presidential (the parliaments choosing their Prime Ministers by RB from among their members, lest they produce another Hitler or other extreme) coops, collective leaderships, tribal groupings, religious confessions, political parties, associations or, even cabals.  Whoever gets there first wins.  For leaders to best represent their country, or district, whether chosen at large or by a representative body, they must be the perfect compromise, most exactly in the middle, as is given by RB.  Yet because it gives minorities a real say in which member of the plurality/majority gets chosen, RB is the only thing that will lead Iraqis, or anyone else, to support any plan more than inadequate confederation.   It will result in “phantasmagoric subtlefaction”, real-time alternatives to all proposals, from wherever: market, coop or social, or tribal, theological or universal, answering infinitely more questions at a time than the two party system’s “who is least bad”.  Both more Liberty &amp; Justice can be found in RB than in any ideology.  With brakes &amp; reverse comes no more need to suppress popular movements around the world.  RB will give us subtlety, responsivity, light-footedness, long-sightedness, objectivity, economy, unity, accountability, integrity &amp; victory over extremism.  Palestinians &amp; Jews will give up fighting over a sliver of desert &amp; become members of global cooperatives, all the various forms of hegemonism, whether up front, subterranean or unconscious, will be given up, in exchange for leading the world to the light, &amp; America will finally realize the need for an adequate, howsoever minimal, safety net as the price &amp; foundation of a free market.
Help put this idea, in time, to as many as possible, before “Clockwork Orange” (overpopulation), “1984” (high-tech dictatorship), cosmic collision, tectonic, economic or environmental collapse, or literalist or criminal contretemps.  The cost of a full page US national ad (sufficient to put RB to virtually all the world) would be repaid many times over, once all that money gets put to actual productive use, at pre-9/11 US annual defense spending of $10,000 per family.  Ten to the power of ten (ten levels of groups of ten) would be sufficient to organize &amp; unite all mankind.
RB is very freeing.  Because it always chooses the candidate in the middle, all who support it are perfectly top-dead-center, with no more need to fear self expression.  Politics will become a family discussion around the kitchen table, with no more jumping back &amp; forth between extremes, with it’s absence of the economists’ requirement of predictability for growth.  All that’s needed is to let go of the nut to get your fist back out of the knothole (to free yourself) &amp; to rest in the knowledge that RB will give us perfect Freedom &amp; perfect Justice, at one &amp; the same time, even if not necessarily in the form imagined, as if anyone would then care.  Unless all the world’s women have total control over their own bodies, no program or condition will ever amount to a hill of beans, because over-population will just eat it up.  No woman ever got pregnant to have an abortion. Good enough for New Zealand, Australia, Kerala India, Iraq, London, Ireland, Cambridge Mass, Burlington &amp; 95% of the townships of Vermont, Pierce County Washington, St Paul &amp; Minneapolis Minnesota, the Utah Republican Party for the selection of statewide candidates, the platforms of both the Green &amp; Libertarian Parties &amp; 50 college student bodies across the US with more coming every year, but not good enough for the rest of us?  It must be in somebody’s interest!  How can any wish it of others if they do not have it themselves?  Having spent every spare moment from the invasion, to the vote on the constitution emailing every Iraqi we could find about RB, we would like to claim some little credit for the reforms they did adopt.  The only imaginable definition of Freedom (&amp; Morality) is “Do as you wish, but harm no other”.  The maker &amp; sustainer of this world (&amp; cosmos!) could have no need of one bit of it. The fiercer the history of the planet, the sooner it would have been blissed out behind ethnic homogeneity, &amp; thus democracy.  Tax consumption, not investment, &amp; spread the productivity around.  All powers to their lowest appropriate level.  All human evil is due to the out of phase fluctuation of population &amp; food supply, so no-one alive is responsible for the mess we find ourselves in, except for what they do now.   Justice is the redress of past violence, Freedom the current absence of violence &amp; Nonviolence the only basis of all Morality.  Just go collect signatures to get on the ballot, asking those who sign to collect them for you as well.  The more the merrier.   (The “additive” form of RB is to count the first choices &amp; if no-one has 50%, to add in the next choices, &amp; so on until someone finally does.)  Consider that which is common in the sight of all men.  zoe morgan z, realzoe@hotmail.com, preferentiality@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Aussies Don't Know What They've Got]<br />
A Perfect Marriage of Freedom &amp; Justice: a HOW-TO<br />
Ranked Ballot (voters ranking candidates in order of preference) will give us (PRACTICABLE!) Instant TRUE Democracy for ALL the World, &amp; even put an end to all war forever.</p>
<p>Because it gives an equal chance of winning to not just all parties, but all combinations of programs, “RB” is the only thing that’s truly both most just &amp; most free.  By this shining example &amp; because it always elects the candidate most exactly in the middle of all voting, RB is top-dead-center counter extremist, &amp; thus more anti-terrorist than all the many recent retrenchments combined &amp; thus will even disallow the tendency of (virtually two-party) parliamentary systems to give the top to the biggest gang on the block, sometimes with violently extremist results.</p>
<p> RB is the sole unchangeable plank &amp; bylaw of a Ranked Ballot Party, the only practicable third party.)  We imagine running on the single issue of RB, promising a citizens’ advisory board based on Organized Communications, “OC”, small randomly assigned discussion groups electing reps to higher &amp; higher randomly assigned levels, by means of RB, ‘til one small group, most exactly in the middle of all voting, remains at the top, to guide us in the rest.  This group, by its merest invitation to speak,  will inevitably name the perfect compromise &amp; next winner  That’s the instant part.  You do the same, from the most local on up.<br />
Virtually no democracy has ever been attacked by another.  In a world of only democracies, there would no longer be need of the counter-productive wastefulness of armies, war or preparation for war.  RB will bring us that &amp; all else: a real solution to terror, a perfect marriage of Freedom &amp; Justice, Tradition &amp; Modernity, Palestinian &amp; Jew, Free Market &amp; Communalism, all the fairness, payback &amp; make-up one could wish for (clean back to the Cro-Magnons) ecologically sustainable politics, what’s best for all workers, instant global women’s liberation, world-wide luxury, a rationalization of the drug war, human unity, the Freedom of Justice &amp; the Justice of Freedom, perhaps the only possible solution to the world’s only real problem, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict (once they both have adopted RB), even integrity. RB is to the horse &amp; buggy two-party system as shopping in the Mall of America is to shopping in Soviet Russia.  The majority of the problems we face are due to the heavy-footedness of the two party system.  RB lessens the power of the extremes, whether authoritarian, economic or sectarian, except through what they can gain by persuasion, which is only what’s just.  While it would be equally useful for all else, RB’s real power is perhaps most clearly shown in the case of Iraq.  Unless its Parliament comes to select the Prime Minister by means of RB, it may not hold &amp; the country, region &amp; world will be in danger of going to war over some ancient grudge, oil well, multi-ethnic city, or sabotaged pipeline.  While the new constitution does call for the selection of the President by a 2/3 vote in the first round (even if only by the parliament &amp; not the people) (who may then decide who will form the new government) &amp; then by a run-off between the top two vote getters in the second round, if that fails to move all three tribes to nominate centrists, then the resulting handful of old men in a back room will fall far short of RB’s ultimate retail politics.  RB would be equally useful for all electoral systems parliamentary or presidential (the parliaments choosing their Prime Ministers by RB from among their members, lest they produce another Hitler or other extreme) coops, collective leaderships, tribal groupings, religious confessions, political parties, associations or, even cabals.  Whoever gets there first wins.  For leaders to best represent their country, or district, whether chosen at large or by a representative body, they must be the perfect compromise, most exactly in the middle, as is given by RB.  Yet because it gives minorities a real say in which member of the plurality/majority gets chosen, RB is the only thing that will lead Iraqis, or anyone else, to support any plan more than inadequate confederation.   It will result in “phantasmagoric subtlefaction”, real-time alternatives to all proposals, from wherever: market, coop or social, or tribal, theological or universal, answering infinitely more questions at a time than the two party system’s “who is least bad”.  Both more Liberty &amp; Justice can be found in RB than in any ideology.  With brakes &amp; reverse comes no more need to suppress popular movements around the world.  RB will give us subtlety, responsivity, light-footedness, long-sightedness, objectivity, economy, unity, accountability, integrity &amp; victory over extremism.  Palestinians &amp; Jews will give up fighting over a sliver of desert &amp; become members of global cooperatives, all the various forms of hegemonism, whether up front, subterranean or unconscious, will be given up, in exchange for leading the world to the light, &amp; America will finally realize the need for an adequate, howsoever minimal, safety net as the price &amp; foundation of a free market.<br />
Help put this idea, in time, to as many as possible, before “Clockwork Orange” (overpopulation), “1984” (high-tech dictatorship), cosmic collision, tectonic, economic or environmental collapse, or literalist or criminal contretemps.  The cost of a full page US national ad (sufficient to put RB to virtually all the world) would be repaid many times over, once all that money gets put to actual productive use, at pre-9/11 US annual defense spending of $10,000 per family.  Ten to the power of ten (ten levels of groups of ten) would be sufficient to organize &amp; unite all mankind.<br />
RB is very freeing.  Because it always chooses the candidate in the middle, all who support it are perfectly top-dead-center, with no more need to fear self expression.  Politics will become a family discussion around the kitchen table, with no more jumping back &amp; forth between extremes, with it’s absence of the economists’ requirement of predictability for growth.  All that’s needed is to let go of the nut to get your fist back out of the knothole (to free yourself) &amp; to rest in the knowledge that RB will give us perfect Freedom &amp; perfect Justice, at one &amp; the same time, even if not necessarily in the form imagined, as if anyone would then care.  Unless all the world’s women have total control over their own bodies, no program or condition will ever amount to a hill of beans, because over-population will just eat it up.  No woman ever got pregnant to have an abortion. Good enough for New Zealand, Australia, Kerala India, Iraq, London, Ireland, Cambridge Mass, Burlington &amp; 95% of the townships of Vermont, Pierce County Washington, St Paul &amp; Minneapolis Minnesota, the Utah Republican Party for the selection of statewide candidates, the platforms of both the Green &amp; Libertarian Parties &amp; 50 college student bodies across the US with more coming every year, but not good enough for the rest of us?  It must be in somebody’s interest!  How can any wish it of others if they do not have it themselves?  Having spent every spare moment from the invasion, to the vote on the constitution emailing every Iraqi we could find about RB, we would like to claim some little credit for the reforms they did adopt.  The only imaginable definition of Freedom (&amp; Morality) is “Do as you wish, but harm no other”.  The maker &amp; sustainer of this world (&amp; cosmos!) could have no need of one bit of it. The fiercer the history of the planet, the sooner it would have been blissed out behind ethnic homogeneity, &amp; thus democracy.  Tax consumption, not investment, &amp; spread the productivity around.  All powers to their lowest appropriate level.  All human evil is due to the out of phase fluctuation of population &amp; food supply, so no-one alive is responsible for the mess we find ourselves in, except for what they do now.   Justice is the redress of past violence, Freedom the current absence of violence &amp; Nonviolence the only basis of all Morality.  Just go collect signatures to get on the ballot, asking those who sign to collect them for you as well.  The more the merrier.   (The “additive” form of RB is to count the first choices &amp; if no-one has 50%, to add in the next choices, &amp; so on until someone finally does.)  Consider that which is common in the sight of all men.  zoe morgan z, <a href="mailto:realzoe@hotmail.com">realzoe@hotmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:preferentiality@gmail.com">preferentiality@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Tobin Tax by Peter Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/the-tobin-tax/#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The largest tax-paying sector in the UK is by far the UK Financial Services industry. It does provide benefits to a wider economy. Unfortunately, Singapore offers far greater &#039;benefits&#039; to corporates relocating from Europe or USA.
One day someone might enquire how a country with a population less than the size of Melbourne or NZ has accumulated one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world. The truth has to come-out eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The largest tax-paying sector in the UK is by far the UK Financial Services industry. It does provide benefits to a wider economy. Unfortunately, Singapore offers far greater &#8216;benefits&#8217; to corporates relocating from Europe or USA.<br />
One day someone might enquire how a country with a population less than the size of Melbourne or NZ has accumulated one of the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world. The truth has to come-out eventually.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beliefs and observations of a Humanist by Beliefs and observations of a Humanist &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/beliefs-and-observations-of-a-humanist/#comment-1157</link>
		<dc:creator>Beliefs and observations of a Humanist &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] David Fotheringham, a scientist writes from his hospital bed. More &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Current Events by Next Public Lecture of the Humanist Society &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/current-events/#comment-1129</link>
		<dc:creator>Next Public Lecture of the Humanist Society &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 06:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More details &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on School council debates special religious instruction (SRI) by School council debates special religious instruction &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/school-council-debates-special-religious-instruction/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator>School council debates special religious instruction &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 07:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently a school council member sought the Humanist Society&#8217;s advice on special religious instruction (SRI) and later reported. More &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on New secular alternative to school chaplains by Providers for the National Student Welfare Program &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/new-secular-alternative-to-school-chaplains/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Providers for the National Student Welfare Program &#187; Humanist Society of Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A reply from Federal Minister Peter Garrett&#8217;s office suggests that the existing religion providers will also be hiring the secular counsellors by default, at least at the outset . &#8220;&#8230; the Department will be providing information on its website about organisations who have indicated their availability to provide this service. The choice of provider is a matter for the school.&#8221; &#8211; HG More&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A reply from Federal Minister Peter Garrett&#8217;s office suggests that the existing religion providers will also be hiring the secular counsellors by default, at least at the outset . &#8220;&#8230; the Department will be providing information on its website about organisations who have indicated their availability to provide this service. The choice of provider is a matter for the school.&#8221; &#8211; HG More&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Religious instruction data obtained by FOI by Stephen Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.victorianhumanist.com/access-religious-instruction-data-obtained-by-foi/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These statistics are very revealing of the state of SRI in Victorian government primary schools. 59.1% of students in those schools in 2010 were spared SRI entirely. ACCESS claimed 95.7% of students who did receive SRI in that year. However, the analysis of the number of students not receiving RI is hard to follow. The bottom two lines of page 1 should be obvious, given the Net Enrolment and the figures for students that did receive RI. Thus in year 2010 you&#039;d expect the Total Not Receiving RI to be 318,052 – 130,100 = 187,952, not 187,657 as stated. And you&#039;d expect those Not Receiving ACCESS RI to be even greater, 318,052 – 124,447 = 193,605, not a mere 176,094 as stated. Alas, these figures do not present a reliable estimate of exemptions from SRI classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These statistics are very revealing of the state of SRI in Victorian government primary schools. 59.1% of students in those schools in 2010 were spared SRI entirely. ACCESS claimed 95.7% of students who did receive SRI in that year. However, the analysis of the number of students not receiving RI is hard to follow. The bottom two lines of page 1 should be obvious, given the Net Enrolment and the figures for students that did receive RI. Thus in year 2010 you&#8217;d expect the Total Not Receiving RI to be 318,052 – 130,100 = 187,952, not 187,657 as stated. And you&#8217;d expect those Not Receiving ACCESS RI to be even greater, 318,052 – 124,447 = 193,605, not a mere 176,094 as stated. Alas, these figures do not present a reliable estimate of exemptions from SRI classes.</p>
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